The LuLac Edition #2141, July 29th, 2012
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HEALTH CARE AND RELIGION
Again much thanks to Pittston Politics.com’s Joe Valenti for curing my writer’s block this week. After a very intense week on the work and personal front, I was pretty much tapped out until I saw this on Joe’s site. Joe wrote about how he thinks the Affordable Care Act is going to infringe on our freedom of religion.Does Obama Care infringe on your religious freedoms? The Catholic Church along with other religious institutions have taken a stand and have drawn a line in the sand. It is quite clear. The Catholic Church refuses to be mandated to provide birth control or other forms of birth control also known as the “morning after pill.”
The Affordable Health Care Act, exempts religious groups from providing contraceptives. President Obama reaffirmed that. So did Joe Biden who pushed the issue.
The HHS mandate clearly violates their religious conscious. And, the Catholic Church has made it clear, before it spends one penny to fund an abortion or on birth control, it will close every Catholic charity, hospital, homeless shelter…which provides more charitable services than all the federal government programs combined.
Like a spoiled child not getting their way, this church that protected child molesters and has treated women as second class citizens will threaten to close institutions of health and well being. Surprised? They shut down churches. Wiped out entire ethnic histories of parishes. They erased grand church names like St. Joseph the Worker, St. Boniface, St. Anthony’s and St. Mary’s. Don’t be surprised if the next Catholic Church merged parish you see is “Saints Sonny and Cher in the community of St. Franco of American at the Congregational Community of the Church of What’s Happening How?” You think it’s a threat, they’re most likely looking for an excuse to close those places down. Again, the people who are against the Affordable Health Care Act are going through their scare tactics again. Catholics will not have their birth control paid for by their church entity by mandate. All Catholics who risk eternal damnation and get their birth control at the drug store or from a doctor to keep the U.S.A. from becoming Biafra will get it somewhere else. And to be sure, Catholics must be using birth control because the Church uses as its justification for closing churches declining populations. While we’re at it, let’s also think about this: how hypocritical is it for the Catholic Church to discourage converts in underdeveloped poor countries to have as many babies as they can because it is “God’s way”. A just God would not bring babies into the world where they die of malnutrition because their parents have to dig for scraps of food in dirt.
Here’s what really bothers me about these arguments. This debate happened back in April. The church screamed and yelled and the White House made it clear that religious groups were exempt. So maybe by bringing this up, the right wing hopes that people forgot there was an exception. The second thing is thing, how can an entity, founded on charity and love, leave 30 million of its brethren without affordable health care? Has the church stopped practicing what it preached? This is of course decidedly un Christian but maybe the Church is proving my point. For many years I said I wasn’t a Christian but a Roman Catholic. Legions of posters and e mailers took me to task because they said you had to be one in the same, a Christian and a Roman Catholic. With these obvious unchristian attitudes toward the uninsured, maybe they’re like me. Not Christians, but Roman Catholics.
And finally, Valenti poses the question: Are your religious beliefs more important than your political convictions?
Thankfully we live in a country that was formed on religious freedom. The Constitution that every card carrying conservative swears they carry around with them defines a clear line between the separation of church and state. The Founding Fathers might have included God in the Declaration of Independence but did not want any deity to be the word of law for this nation. So we as voters can vote on what we are supposed to. What exactly is that? The best people to run our affairs (foreign and domestic) in this representative Republic, the best person who will protect our economic interests and the best individuals who will give us the choice unfettered to either vote for our religious convictions or not. This complex world we live in demands nothing less. Once more this is still another example of how this law has been mischaracterized by the right.
29 Comments:
Dear Dave!
I hope you have the guts to print this! I just left a response on Right Wing Fringe! And I have the answer to defeating Oblaba!
I'm sure this will give your liberal reading audience a fat old heart attack! Because we have the power to take down the president and not Romney!
Hitler, Stalin, Bin Ladin, and Hussain, which is our current president's middle name, were not the greatest threats to our country. Our greatest threats came from fdr and l blow me j. jfk was struck down by a bolt of divine intervention.
Have the guts to let this be printed. Any conservatives reading this tripe blog. We can take back this country without the uncertainty of the election in November.
If you have a grandparent or great grandparent, become what is called a representative payee over their benefits. Then disenroll them from Medicare part A. Then their Social Security benefits will stop. We can kill in one swipe the two greatest destructive parts of legislation ever imposed on this great nation.
We can enact the Ryan plan ourselves without a vote in the congress! We can destroy liberarlism! This is just the first step however.
We have two great tools! Rush and Beck! These two tools can help us undue this national nightmare! They have huge audiences, and we must encourage them to force any RINO or real Republican to start impeachment proceedings agains a foreign born president. They have fought the good fight, but now we must get their backs! Call in to both of their shows between now and the elction, and tell them to use their influence to make our representatives to start impeachment proceedings. And unlike clintoris, this time it will work! Bye bye liberals, you are finaly finished!
Dave,
I love how you liberals love to portray yourselves as religous and how you believe in God, but you don't mind if a fetus is aborted!
Oh and thank you for shaming us for not treating women properly! You are a great example of hipocracy!
I at one time thought you were a misguided Catholic, but one with a good heart! You have spoken strongly on this blog how women should keep their legs closed! But now you are letting women and as a result men fall into inapropiate behaviour!
I hope your soul is ready to meet the All Mighty when you shrug off ths mortal coil! I hope I am there to see it when you are pleading with the Father, saying I was a good Catholic or Christian!
Girls keep your legs closed, unless Dave says you get a pass! Such a great caffeterria catholic you are! And keep trying to convince the public that freedom of religion means freedom from religion! God, and the founders who recognised him founded this country, Let's see what happens when we stop following his rules! We will be begging for forgivness when things go wrong!
Bravo, Dave, Bravo!
How is birth control and abortion healthcare and they exempted the Church for a whole year.....to give them time to figure out how to provided these services to their employees ....and that is what we are talking about mostly.I also love your argument that since so many are doing it ...it should be O.K. to do it . Well Yonk as most murders are committed by democrats or party supporters should the democrat party come out and support the right of its party members to murder because so many of its members or supporters are doing it .... ( and no Yonk that is not a wild statement ....just the facts ) LOL.... funny Now I'm sure that you made note of the Headlines that a recent court decision upheld the right of a organization to Not provide these services ....Yonk a question for ya ....if it ain't in the bill why didn't the kindly judge just point that out and tell everyone to go home and take a nap .... he didn't ....did he * GRIN * but instead he ruled " The Catholic family that owns a Colorado-based company won a court victory in their battle to stop the Obama administration from requiring them to provide insurance coverage for abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization and contraception, a mandate they say violates their religious beliefs and First Amendment rights." Now the judge ruled in favor of the Catholic FAMILY who owns this business ....where do you think the bar is going to be set for the Church itself and its employee's
" Now, suddenly, we have headlines about the president's "war on the Catholic Church." Mostly they stem from a Health and Human Services mandate that forces every employer to provide employees with health coverage that not only covers birth control and sterilization, but makes them free. Predictably, the move has drawn fire from the Catholic bishops. "
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203718504577179110264196498.html
Dave,Great blog on health care and the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church hierarchy. Can't wait to hear from the Professor and Aggie on this one.
Britain and Canada have some of the best health care systems in the world. France supposedly has the best, but since I don't know enough about it to comment, I'm going to leave that out of this example.
I know for a fact that the GOP/conservative talking points about Canada's system - that there's 10 month wait times for minor surgeries, that hospital rooms are overcrowded and doctors give shoddy care - are all blatant lies. The Republicans said to us: "If you think Canada's health care system is so much better, go ask a Canadian!"
I'll do you one better, GOP: I'm getting married to a Canadian.
Let me put it this way: I don't support the for-profit health care system in any way. If I have to go to a hospital, my preference, in NEPA, would be to go to a Geisinger facility, because they're hometown and they're the best of the best in Pennsylvania. But if I had a blanket choice between a U.S. for-profit hospital (Like WB General), or a universal-care Canadian hospital (like the one I went to when I was injured in Toronto a few years back), I'd pick the Canadian one.
If people ever had to go to a Canadian hospital, they'd understand the difference.
The sad part, is that this is the United States of America; and if we adopted a universal, single payer system, not only would we be on par with Britain and Canada and France, I'll bet you the farm that we would do it BETTER than Britain and Canada and France. We really WOULD have the greatest health care system on the planet.
The Affordable Care Act is a great step forward, but it is a box of band aids when what America really needs is a surgery. We can rock a single payer system, and we can do it better than anyone else - we're Americans, after all!- All we have to do is try.
Casey Evans
The Roman Catholic Church is spiraling downwards at an ever increasing pace and it will lead to its utter destruction within 50 years and the planet will be better off without it!
This causal reader is starting to think the "venerable professor" is actually a liberal, parodying Romney/right-wing supporters from the lobster dinners and golf references to the attack on everyone who isn't rich, white, anglo-saxon and protestant, heterosexual, male, middle aged, and conservative.... if that's the case, he's a clever one, and his joke is both funny and well executed.
In fact, he has to be a parody, because no sane person would behave or speak like the "venerable professor".
If he isn't being facetious and clever, then he's insane. Like really, literally, truly insane.
WOW! BRING OUT THE CRAZIES. YOUR FIRST POSTER JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE NOT TO MENTION NOT KNOWING HOW TO CONSTRUCT A SENTENCE OR FOLLOW A THOUGHT. AT LEAST THE WACKY PROFESSER WRITES IN SENTENCES YOU CAN LAUGH AT, BUT UNDERSTAND. AS TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, STICK A FORK IN IT, ITS DONE AND THEY DESERVE IT. TOO MUCH HARM WAS DONE TO CHILDREN FOR ANY GOD TO TOLERATE JUST LIKE JOE PATERNO AND PENN STATE!
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Have the guts to let this be printed.
OH NO, PLEASE GO ON. FEEL FREE TO POST YOUR "INTERESTING" COMMENTS ON MY SITE.
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Girls keep your legs closed, unless Dave says you get a pass!
I THINK YOU MISS MY POINT. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROMISCUITY AND WOMAN BLINDLY FOLLOWING THE TENANTS OF BIRTH CONTROL IN A FOREIGN LAND THAT IS ECONOMICALLY UNDERDEVELOPED. THIS SUNDAY'S GOSPEL WAS ABOUT THE LOAVES AND FISHES. AND GOD PROVIDED. BUT I'M AFRAID THAT BABIES ALL OVER THE THIRD WORLD ARE BEING BROUGHT INTO CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE.
I love how you liberals love to portray yourselves as religous and how you believe in God, but you don't mind if a fetus is aborted!
I DO MIND IF A FETUS IS ABORTED. I THINK EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO EITHER GIVE THE FETUS UP FOR ADOPTION OR BRING BACK ORPHANAGES. YOU CALLED ME A LIBERAL BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'D WANT ME RUNNING THE HOUSING PROJECTS AROUND HERE AND THE WELFARE OFFICES. YOU CALL ME A LIBERAL BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME ON A JURY WHERE THE DEATH PENALTY IS BEING DEBATED. YOU CONFUSE US "LIBERALS" WITH BEING BABY KILLERS. WE'RE PRO CHOICE WHICH MEANS WHEN ALL THE MEANS HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED, A WOMAN MAKES HER CHOICE.
Such a great caffeterria catholic you are!
NOPE, NOPE, I'M A ROMAN CATHOLIC!
I hope your soul is ready to meet the All Mighty when you shrug off ths mortal coil! I hope I am there to see it when you are pleading with the Father, saying I was a good Catholic or Christian!
WE DON'T TRAVEL IN THE SAME CIRCLES NOW, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ON HAND WHEN OR IF THAT EVER TAKES PLACE?
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The Affordable Care Act is a great step forward, but it is a box of band aids when what America really needs is a surgery. We can rock a single payer system,
EVERY MEDICAL DOCTOR I HAVE SPOKEN TO BELIEVES THE SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM IS THE WAY TO GO. IT WILL SIMPLIFY BILLING, CLAIMS AND IF YOU DO IT CORRECTLY, IT WILL MAKE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES MORE MONEY THAN EVER. IF IT IS DONE RIGHT, I CAN ALSO PAY FOR ITSELF AND FUND ANY WAR THOSE NEOCONS WANT TO START UP AGAIN LOOKING FOR THOSE BLASTED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
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Yonk as most murders are committed by democrats or party supporters should the democrat party come out and support the right of its party members to murder because so many of its members or supporters are doing it
MOST MURDERERS ARE DEMOCRATS? REALLY? YOU SAID IT'S A FACT. FROM WHERE? IF IT IS TRUE, WHAT A WAY TO OVERTHROW THE COUNTRY.....VOTE FOR ME...OR I'LL KILL YA. BUT WAIT, WAIT, I'M FOR GUN CONTROL SO LET'S TAKE A STROLL TO THE GROCERY STORE SO I CAN BUY SOME RAT POISON. REALLY MAN?
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In fact, he has to be a parody, because no sane person would behave or speak like the "venerable professor".
If he isn't being facetious and clever, then he's insane. Like really, literally, truly insane.
WELL, WE'RE JUST GLAD HE READS AND COMMENTS. CRAZY OR NOT, WE BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH.
yonk ....take a look at who is committed 59.3 % of all felony murder in the U.S from 1976 to 2005 . ..... can you tell me at what rate they historically support democrats ....its about 92 % isn't it .....they supported obama at around 97 - 98 % and if I remember my math 59.3 % is more than 1/2 and more than 1/2 is most and we have not even consider hispanic or the odd white democrat
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm
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http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm
I LOOKED AT YOUR CHARTS. JUST BECAUSE MORE AFRICAN AMERICANS AND HISPANICS, ACCORDING TO THIS SURVEY COMMITTED MORE MURDERS DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF THEM VOTED FOR OBAMA, OR KERRY, OR GORE, OR CLINTON. PRISONERS CAN'T VOTE. I DOUBT KILLERS WILL TAKE TIME OUT FROM THEIR CRIME SPREES TO SAY, "SHOOT, I GOTTA GO VOTE". IF YOU COULD PROVIDE STATS THAT SAY 98% OF PEOPLE CONVICTED OF MURDER VOTED FOR A DEMOCRAT, THEN YOU HAVE A CASE. NOWHERE ON YOUR CHART DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT AN ELECTION. JEEZ.......
Once more you prove to all of us that you are the best blogger in the state. I'm serious. Where are the rebuttals from the GOP mainstream. They can't or won't make their case. Keep up the good work. And if you are banished to hell like 2:51 AM hopes, let's hope the devil's daughter is a six foot red head with a six pack of Tab and Sanitary Bakery pizza. Burnt of course!
Yonk - Glad I cured your writer's block and gave you fodder for this week:-)
Couple things.
1. I didn't ask about "religious beliefs" as you penned. I asked about "religious freedoms." Big difference.
2. You slam the Catholic Church and priests for past sins. I'm not going to stand quietly and allow this to go unanswered. It’s "the Priest" not "a Priest." Not all Priests are pedophiles and not all pedophiles priests. In fact, nearly all Priests are not and do tremendous good. Further, it’s "the church," not "a church."
The fact of the matter is scandals like this happen in all organizations. And, Penn State proves my point. I suggest you read a great book - "From Scandal to Hope" By Father Benedict J. Groeschel. It actually gave me hope and changed my view on the entire Catholic Church.
Your Friend
Joe V
A little bit of fun here today on LuLac wouldn't ya say????
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You slam the Catholic Church and priests for past sins. I'm not going to stand quietly and allow this to go unanswered. It’s "the Priest" not "a Priest." Not all Priests are pedophiles and not all pedophiles priests. In fact, nearly all Priests are not and do tremendous good.
I MENTIONED ONE SENTENCE ABOUT THE CHURCH'S SEX SCANDALS WITH THE PRIESTS. IF IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS A BLANKET INDICTMENT OF EVERY PRIEST, I'M SORRY YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. IN MY LIFE I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE COUNSELED AND MENTORED BY MANY GREAT PRIESTS. THE LIST OF THEM ALL WOULD BE TOO LONG. MY POINT WAS THAT IN THE HEALTH CARE DEBATE, THE CHURCH, THE ONE THAT COVERED UP THE SEX ABUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN GETS RIGHTEOUS ABOUT ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL FOR WOMEN WHO WORK FOR THEIR AGENCIES AND INSTITUTIONS. I WAS POINTING OUT THE HYPOCRISY, AND DID NOT SLAM ALL PRIESTS.
I didn't ask about "religious beliefs" as you penned. I asked about "religious freedoms."
OKAY, WHAT FREEDOMS ARE WE HAVING ABOLISHED BY THIS HEALTH CARE PLAN? WHEN YOU CONSERVATIVES ARE PUSHED BACK ON SOMETHING, YOU THROW OUT THE FREEDOM CARD.
It actually gave me hope and changed my view on the entire Catholic Church.
I'M NEVER WITHOUT HOPE JOE, EVEN WHEN THE ******* AT THE DIOCESE ARE ELIMINATING ETHNIC CHURCHES.
Your Friend
Joe V
MY TURN TO BUY LUNCH. SEE YOU SOON.
Point of order gentlemen....
First of all, I think the poster on RW fringe talking about ending Medicare and Social Security is being sarcastic. If not, then he is highly mistaken.
Romney may very well take this election--that is a fact. And the Republicans will definitely keep the House and have a decent chance of taking the Senate.
Now, when and if this happens does anyone truly believe they are going to end Medicare and Social Security--two of the most POPULAR programs in the nation??? Programs so popular that most Americans do not even think of them as government programs.
Paul Ryan is a political hack who is all talk.
Point of history....
Republicans had lock stock/barrell control of the White House and the Congress for most of W's terms. They didn't touch Social Security for one thing because the public scared the shit out of them. ANd after all, when it all comes down to it...its all about the votes.
If by chance they are insane enough to go this route, then watch out because 2014 will be a major bloodbath and Hillary Clinton or Andrew Cuomo will be the next President.
Bless You All.
Unbelievable. It is great reading to see all the crazies gathered on one subject. The only point I want to make is that I find it a bit confusing that the Catholic Church is willing to shut down agencies that help the poor and homeless children. Where do I find that under the rules of Charity? Is this the work of true Christians? Amen.
Students,
Good morning. I hope you all have recovered from your Olympics viewing hangovers. I equally hope that if your bets did not come through that your bookies have been paid.
The business of this classroom goes forward……
Students, I am going to devote my time this morning both enlightening and retort. First off, one of you ingrates has stated that I am a liberal in disguise. This student should leave this classroom immediately, head to NYC or Hollywood and try out for a spot as a comedian as his line made me fall out of my chair laughing. Mind you, I am not one prone to moods of jocularity, but this accusation is so dimwitted and uniformed. I know I am teaching a majority of dimwitted dunces, but I never thought anyone of my students to be “that” stupid.
Second, as far as the Health Care debate….I truly hate to keep beating a dead horse, but health care is best left to the private sector. Personal responsibility does not only mean finding one’s self a job but also taking care of one’s own health by way of a good diet and moderation of behavior. For instance, a glass of wine or even two is fine. Getting “sloshed” as you imbeciles may call it, is irresponsible. A piece of pie is fine. Eating a whole pie in one sitting (look around) is a heart attack waiting to happen. And according to Obamacare and the liberal medium, You drink, smoke, take drugs, eat fast foods and on and on and the day you finally become seriously ill you want ME to pay for it???????
Nonsense.
Finally, I have been accused of being one of the more conservative students, by the name of Aggie. This is not true. Although I enjoy reviewing this young lady’s papers, I can assure you that we are not one in the same. No offense to you Aggie, for you have, unlike most of the morons in this classroom, a degree of insight far beyond your generation. It’s just that you are not as well seasoned as myself. To be fair, you are young and I am an old fogie.
So, for those of you still awake (you may laugh), I hope this lecture has cleared a few things up.
I do wish to inform you that I will be in this classroom on Wednesday the 1st to deliver the results on my predictions for this month’s jobs report due Friday. Not letting the cat out of the bag, and as I am usually right on the money with my calculations, it does not look good.
Something to think about this morning>…….
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Well first of Yonk its not a survey ...its the federal governments ( FBI ) crime report on Homicide by race and Yonk it is a fact that when felons and former convicts vote they vote democrat ....thats what the democrat party is these days for the most part ....felons ....welfare recipients .....union members and college professors ....ticks on societies ass all of them.
http://www.soc.umn.edu/~uggen/Uggen_Manza_ASR_02.pdf
LOL ..... well Professor as I happen to have an outie not an innie the name Aggie is what I am not who ....graduate of Texas A&M ...BS/Soc or an Aggie and 95 is the year of graduation and I was 38 at the time but TY for the H/T
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Yonk it is a fact that when felons and former convicts vote they vote democrat ....thats what the democrat party is these days for the most part ....felons ....welfare recipients .....union members and college professors ....ticks on societies ass all of them.
OH COME ON!!! NOW YOU'RE PLAYING THE ROLE OF AN OLD SOUTHERN BIGOT. REALLY? ALL BLACKS ARE FELONS THEREFORE ALL BLACKS VOTE FOR OBAMA. JEEZ. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE I KNOW OR HAVE KNOWN ON WELFARE WHO VOTE FOR THE GOP. UNION MEMBERS TOO. THEY LOVE THE GOP EVEN THOUGH THAT PARTY DID THEIR BEST TO SCREW THEM ALL. I'M STUNNED EITHER AT YOUR SUPERIOR TOOLS OF SATIRE OR YOUR COMPLETE NOD TO THE POLITICAL CRAZINESS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY.
I don't believe Aggie or the Professor contribute anything positive or new to the political discourse on this site. They have a right to their opinion, however, as I do mine; and my opinion is that their opinion couldn't mean less.
Yonk ....now your putting words in my mouth ....can you point to where I said all blacks are felons ...didn't say it did I ....what I said was " Well Yonk as most murders are committed by democrats or party supporters should the democrat party come out and support the right of its party members to murder because so many of its members or supporters are doing it .... ( and no Yonk that is not a wild statement ....just the facts )" you chose to take offense I then pointed out who it was according to the B of J committed most of the murders in the U.S ( who is committed 59.3 % of all felony murder in the U.S from 1976 to 2005 ) a point I might add you conceded and that they were likely democrats OR supporters of the democrat party based on voting history ....then I posted a link to a study that states felons overwhelmingly support democrats and from that you get me stating all blacks are felons ....LOL ...bit of a reach Yonk....here's something to chew on though ....who are most of the felons in this country
Yonk - in response to your "WHEN YOU CONSERVATIVES ARE PUSHED BACK ON SOMETHING, YOU THROW OUT THE FREEDOM CARD."
For every freedom card we may throw, you liberals throw out the racist card ten fold as noted in the comments here and on your FB page.
BTW - I do think its your time to buy:-)
Joe V
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